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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:25 PM

Probably not!

I just tried with Pink Floyd's "Money" and got 6 out of 10 correct, which means it was a 37.7% chance I was guessing. Granted, I'm old as fuck and I've been to a few loud concerts in my day which means my hearing isn't the best, but I also have a pretty good headphone setup.

To do this properly (to rule out placebo as a factor), you'll need the following:


  • foobar2000: http://www.foobar2000.org/download

  • ABX plugin for foobar: http://www.foobar200...ts/view/foo_abx (stick this in the "components" folder in your foobar installation, then restart foobar)

  • The music files: FLAC and MP3. I didn't bother converting them to WAV to hide which is which, because if someone wants to cheat, they could just run both files through a spectrum analyzer or modify the ABX log output or say LOL EVEN 320 KBPS SOUNDS LIKE SHIT NICE HEARING YOU FAGIT and post goatse and t0t.


And how to do the test:


  • Add both files to foobar.

  • Select both of them, right click, and go to utilities > ABX two tracks.

  • Make sure both boxes are unchecked, then hit OK.

  • Now, under "playback" you have A, B, X, and Y buttons. A and B are the two files, and so are X and Y, but obviously you don't know which is which.

  • The rest should be pretty self explanatory: when you think you've figured out which is which, hit one of the buttons under "choice" and then "next trial". It will then re-randomize the A/B/X/Y files so you can try again, and update your score.


You should do at least 10 tests (I gave up after 10 because it was very difficult to tell them apart and I knew I was just guessing sometimes), and use different parts of the song. When you're finished, the plugin will ask if you want to save a text file of your results, which looks like this:


foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.0.3
2010/07/24 20:58:34

File A: C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (OMR MFSL 24k Gold Ultradisc II)\06 - Money.flac
File B: C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (OMR MFSL 24k Gold Ultradisc II)\06 - Money (128).mp3

20:58:34 : Test started.
21:09:39 : 01/01  50.0%
21:10:50 : 02/02  25.0%
21:12:03 : 03/03  12.5%
21:13:12 : 03/04  31.3%
21:15:19 : 04/05  18.8%
21:19:25 : 05/06  10.9%
21:32:42 : 06/07  6.3%
21:36:22 : 06/08  14.5%
21:39:16 : 06/09  25.4%
21:40:39 : 06/10  37.7%
21:52:19 : Test finished.

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Total: 6/10 (37.7%)


I know it's hard to not be a huge faggot but try not to cheat! If anyone is able to reliably pass this, I'll post a VBR encode that should be much tougher.

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:29 PM

i got 10/10
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 10:29 PM

you're the best

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:02 PM

I played this game with my boss awhile back. We would play a .wav and a .mp3 of the same song, and we guessed which was which. I got all of them right.

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[17:43] <MoxieMan> wow mud golems band is actually p cool
[17:43] <MoxieMan> vanzers is not


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vanzer's only good post
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:04 PM

View PostVanzer, on 24 July 2010 - 11:02 PM, said:

I played this game with my boss awhile back. We would play a .wav and a .mp3 of the same song, and we guessed which was which. I got all of them right.

you should try this test then

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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:52 PM

Tried it, can't tell a difference.
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Posted 24 July 2010 - 11:58 PM

11/10

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View Postcomplex, on 24 July 2010 - 11:25 PM, said:

Probably not!

I just tried with Pink Floyd's "Money" and got 6 out of 10 correct, which means it was a 37.7% chance I was guessing. Granted, I'm old as fuck and I've been to a few loud concerts in my day which means my hearing isn't the best, but I also have a pretty good headphone setup.

To do this properly (to rule out placebo as a factor), you'll need the following:


  • foobar2000: http://www.foobar2000.org/download

  • ABX plugin for foobar: http://www.foobar200...ts/view/foo_abx (stick this in the "components" folder in your foobar installation, then restart foobar)

  • The music files: FLAC and MP3. I didn't bother converting them to WAV to hide which is which, because if someone wants to cheat, they could just run both files through a spectrum analyzer or modify the ABX log output or say LOL EVEN 320 KBPS SOUNDS LIKE SHIT NICE HEARING YOU FAGIT and post goatse and t0t.


And how to do the test:


  • Add both files to foobar.

  • Select both of them, right click, and go to utilities > ABX two tracks.

  • Make sure both boxes are unchecked, then hit OK.

  • Now, under "playback" you have A, B, X, and Y buttons. A and B are the two files, and so are X and Y, but obviously you don't know which is which.

  • The rest should be pretty self explanatory: when you think you've figured out which is which, hit one of the buttons under "choice" and then "next trial". It will then re-randomize the A/B/X/Y files so you can try again, and update your score.


You should do at least 10 tests (I gave up after 10 because it was very difficult to tell them apart and I knew I was just guessing sometimes), and use different parts of the song. When you're finished, the plugin will ask if you want to save a text file of your results, which looks like this:


foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.0.3
2010/07/24 20:58:34

File A: C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (OMR MFSL 24k Gold Ultradisc II)\06 - Money.flac
File B: C:\Users\Tony\Downloads\Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon (OMR MFSL 24k Gold Ultradisc II)\06 - Money (128).mp3

20:58:34 : Test started.
21:09:39 : 01/01  50.0%
21:10:50 : 02/02  25.0%
21:12:03 : 03/03  12.5%
21:13:12 : 03/04  31.3%
21:15:19 : 04/05  18.8%
21:19:25 : 05/06  10.9%
21:32:42 : 06/07  6.3%
21:36:22 : 06/08  14.5%
21:39:16 : 06/09  25.4%
21:40:39 : 06/10  37.7%
21:52:19 : Test finished.

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Total: 6/10 (37.7%)


I know it's hard to not be a huge faggot but try not to cheat! If anyone is able to reliably pass this, I'll post a VBR encode that should be much tougher.

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 12:30 AM

not until you take the test blagon

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 02:27 AM

Here's my score: t0t
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 02:35 AM

that's a pretty good score

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 07:57 AM

I stopped at 4 tries. Once the guitar and drums kicked in, I couldn't tell any differences. Of course, my audio equipment didn't cost me thousands of dollars.



foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.0.3
2010/07/25 07:46:38

File A: C:\Users\user\Desktop\money.flac
File B: C:\Users\user\Desktop\money.mp3

07:46:38 : Test started.
07:48:36 : 01/01 50.0%
07:49:13 : 01/02 75.0%
07:53:40 : 02/03 50.0%
07:55:42 : 02/04 68.8%
07:55:48 : Test finished.

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Total: 2/4 (68.8%)

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[17:43] <MoxieMan> wow mud golems band is actually p cool
[17:43] <MoxieMan> vanzers is not


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vanzer's only good post
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 08:21 AM

LOL EVEN 320 KBPS SOUNDS LIKE SHIT NICE HEARING YOU FAGIT
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:08 AM

VINYL ONLY IT IS THE BEST
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:23 AM

you gotta have all the pops and snaps and shit

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:39 AM

ITS A FULLER SOUND OK TK GAWD
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 11:44 AM

Audiophiles are a funny lot.

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[17:43] <MoxieMan> wow mud golems band is actually p cool
[17:43] <MoxieMan> vanzers is not


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vanzer's only good post
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 04:02 PM

pink floyd is overrated enjoy your mediocre musical taste
i would just like to point out that i don't give high fives because i'm not a hipster, sorry. i will accept a brotap (also known by some as knucks), a brohandshake, or a brohug though
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 04:06 PM

View PostChey, on 25 July 2010 - 06:02 PM, said:

pink floyd is overrated enjoy your mediocre musical taste

was waiting for that
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 04:08 PM

i picked that album primarily because it's a very good recording/mastering

but good job showing how much of a dumb hipster you are again i guess

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:53 PM

hukl a mainstream band? no thx

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:55 PM

All mainstream bands are overrated because all bands are shitty and no one should like them.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 06:55 PM

"hey i like this band"
"oh yeah i heard of them"
"i no longer like this band"

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:02 PM

money.mp3 was the 128 kbps MP3 while money.flac was the FLAC.

Didn't even have to download any shitty foobar plugins you idiot.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:16 PM

bad trikk. would -1 if i had any left
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:35 PM

I liked it so I +1'd it. I -1'd Chey though.
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Posted 25 July 2010 - 09:36 PM

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:10 PM

View PostSvensk Chef, on 25 July 2010 - 09:02 PM, said:

money.mp3 was the 128 kbps MP3 while money.flac was the FLAC.

Didn't even have to download any shitty foobar plugins you idiot.

did not think anyone would figure it out, good job trikk

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Posted 25 July 2010 - 10:39 PM

+1 trikk
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:19 AM

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i picked that album primarily because it's a very good recording/mastering

but good job showing how much of a dumb hipster you are again i guess

Here, I just bought you a case of Gatorade G2. Enjoy!
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:20 AM

Worst WB meme ever.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 09:04 AM

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View Postcomplex, on 25 July 2010 - 11:08 PM, said:

i picked that album primarily because it's a very good recording/mastering

but good job showing how much of a dumb hipster you are again i guess

Here, I just bought you a case of Gatorade G2. Enjoy!

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 12:31 PM

despite chugging gallons of G2, Never still can't properly deliver his own G2
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 02:36 PM

I won't even try the test, because I already know my hearing is bad enough that I wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:19 PM

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:22 PM

tried it, cant tell any difference at all

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 03:43 PM

what are you doing with your eyes while you listen?
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 05:08 PM

I was looking at my dick. It was in my hand at the time.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 06:15 PM

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what are you doing with your eyes while you listen?

wearing a blindfold to ENHANCE MY OTHER SENSES
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Posted 26 July 2010 - 06:18 PM

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